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vasi

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Posted: 03:23pm 18 Sep 2007
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Hi all!

... for programming a PICAXE or any PIC without problems?
Thank you!

Cheers,

Vasi
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Gizmo

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Posted: 09:04pm 18 Sep 2007
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I use a 3 wire cable that is about 10 meters long, works without any problems. I once had a 3 wire serial cable that was 50 meters long for transfering files between two computers, from memory it was running at 19,200 bd.
Telephone cables are just two twisted wires and they can handle modulated 4800bd for several kilometers.

Good thing about serial communications is you can reduce the data rate to get a reliable signal, even down to 75bd as used by the old Telix machines.

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vasi

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Thank you Glenn! So, long enough to put it between the keyboard and display. Working on computer but with programmer under my eyes.

VasiEdited by vasi 2007-09-20
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RossW
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  Gizmo said  
Good thing about serial communications is you can reduce the data rate to get a reliable signal, even down to 75bd as used by the old Telix machines.


Were not most of the telix machines 45.45 baud? (50 baud in 60Hz countries)

Also, IIRC, they were never RS232, they were current loop.

RS232 does have substantial distance limitations, but for most of us they are not an issue at "sensible" speeds. There are serial variants (like RS423) that use differential signals to overcome many of the noise and distance problems of RS232, and can run signals 1500m or more at reasonable speeds without problems.
 
Art_

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Posted: 02:16am 22 Oct 2007
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All of the above might be true,
until you try to program a pic microcontroller with a serial programmer which is not ordinary serial
communication :D
The JDM (or clone) programmers use 12 Volt from the signal to trigger the pic's programmng pin, also timing is important.
The shorter the cable the better me thinks, my serial programmer
was shaky at best (only worked half the time).



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