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Plasmamac

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Posted: 11:44am 01 Sep 2023
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It shows the same memory Size as normal. Am i wrong ?

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What does the FILES command show
 
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Ahh looks better



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Mixtel90

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Be careful with that version, it's not PicoMite pin-compatible.
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Plasmamac

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oh no (lemmings sound).

thx Matherp and Mixtel
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Mixtel90

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Ah, but you gain extra flash storage, USB-C and extra I/O so it's not all bad. :)

I'll be interested to see how far it will overclock. The YD-RP2040 locks up at a bit over 200MHz.
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phil99

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The one I have runs fine at 378MHz though the chip temp. is a few degrees higher than the others.
 
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Can we change the thread title? It's 16MB flash not RAM...

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378 MHZ run fine , no temperature test atm
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I can’t change the threadtitle.
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stanleyella

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I got a "normal" rpi2040 and mem says
RAM:
 0K ( 0%) 0 Variables
 0K ( 0%) General
152K (100%) Free
The 16MB ram rpi pico is 128K  ???
 
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The extra flash (not RAM - that's the same) is only used for file storage, Stan. You'll only see it with FILES.
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Mick- like github,easy not
> files
A:/
  <DIR>  .
  <DIR>  ..
00:00 01-01-2000          4  bootcount
2 directories, 1 file, 712704 bytes free
>
memory
Program:
  1K ( 0%) Program (25 lines)
123K (100%) Free

Saved Variables:
 16K (100%) Free

RAM:
  0K ( 0%) 0 Variables
  0K ( 0%) General
152K (100%) Free
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not a clue
 
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With 16MB flash I expected A: to have more free space.

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I don't know which versions of MMBasic are on both of them. The amount of free flash will vary.

Doesn't Free RAM indicate how much is free with a program loaded? It's not something I've ever worried about. :)
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The 'black' version has a pinout that is 'almost' the same as the pico.
My black boards need to be kept below 200MHz but that is not too bad. The extra disk space negates the need for a SDcard.

Edit: I just tried a black board at 378MHz on the latest firmware and it looks OK.
I will leave it running for a few hours and see.

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Edited 2023-09-02 08:19 by TassyJim
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Regarding the black RP2040 modules:
-Up to now I have been very pleased with the black models YD-RP2040 2022-V1.3 (with 16MB and a RGB-led on board).
-Now I am not so pleased anymore. I have over the last days followed the oscilloscope developments and tested various programs posted. Nothing seemed to work as it should have. Swithed over to a genuine green module and everything worked as intended!

Have anybody else had truble with ADC on the black modules? Or is it just a coincidence that both of the black modules happened to have problems? Are the ADC inputs wired differently on green and black modules? (At least I could not see any differences)

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OPTION LCDPANEL ILI9341, LANDSCAPE,GP15,GP14,GP13
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  Mixtel90 said  I don't know which versions of MMBasic are on both of them. The amount of free flash will vary.

Doesn't Free RAM indicate how much is free with a program loaded? It's not something I've ever worried about. :)

Nobody worry's about ram or code space. There's plenty. right? Just assume there's enough and it's happy days.

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  Mixtel90 said  I don't know which versions of MMBasic are on both of them. The amount of free flash will vary.

Doesn't Free RAM indicate how much is free with a program loaded? It's not something I've ever worried about. :)

Nobody worry's about ram or code space. There's plenty. right? Just assume there's enough and it's happy days.

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Mixtel90

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  Pluto said  Regarding the black RP2040 modules:
-Up to now I have been very pleased with the black models YD-RP2040 2022-V1.3 (with 16MB and a RGB-led on board).
-Now I am not so pleased anymore. I have over the last days followed the oscilloscope developments and tested various programs posted. Nothing seemed to work as it should have. Swithed over to a genuine green module and everything worked as intended!

Have anybody else had truble with ADC on the black modules? Or is it just a coincidence that both of the black modules happened to have problems? Are the ADC inputs wired differently on green and black modules? (At least I could not see any differences)

option list

PicoMite MMBasic Version 5.07.08b15
OPTION SYSTEM SPI GP18,GP19,GP16
OPTION LCDPANEL ILI9341, LANDSCAPE,GP15,GP14,GP13
OPTION TOUCH GP12,GP11
GUI CALIBRATE 0, 3844, 3970, -837, -639


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What problems are you seeing? Remember that the ADC command will still require ADC0, which you can't change.

I've not used the ADC inputs on the YD-2040 yet. According to the circuit they are connected similarly, with the exception that ADC3 is also on a pin. There is better reference voltage smoothing on the Pico. You can add this by connecting a capacitor to the VREF and GND pads. You could put a header here so that a capacitor and voltage ref could be added at some point. Note that the reduced smoothing may not be a problem as the 3V3 regulator is linear rather than switching.


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EDIT:
I've found the problem. As the board comes the ADC reference is disconnected so those inputs can't be used as analogue!

There are two round pads, marked VREF and GND. The VREF pad goes to the RP2040 input and has a 100nF capacitor to GND.

The simplest way is to put a header in the VREF and GND pads. You can then connect a 220R resistor from 3V3 to VREF and a 2.2uF to 10uF capacitor from VREF to GND. If you want the resistor to go on the module, then there is a solder-blob link further to the left, also marked VREF. The left side goes to 3V3 and the right to the VREF pad mentioned previously.

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Edited 2023-09-06 06:57 by Mixtel90
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