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Bryan1 Guru  Joined: 22/02/2006 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1345 |
G'Day Guy's, due to the heat short day at work and eh I did need a new pair of thongs so off into town I went and just had to step in cashies for a look. Saw a tower for $129 and thought thats a donor for my cnc project from many years ago. Got a USB controller board and 3 micro steppers on the way and just needed a winsucks box to run this. It's a i3 2.93Ghz LG cool Master with a win10 OS. Well aint used winsucks in many years as when both my house computer and shed laptop HD's died and replacing them saw winsucks reject everytime so linux to the rescue but linuxcnc aint what it seems as it won't work over USB. So with this Clunky win10 box I aint seen a computer this slow in the last 20 years and the wifi card wasn't enabled and win10 refused to even see it. So the ethernet cable from my shed wifi router worked a treat and I got the net. gigabyte updates didn't take that long about a 4 times slower than the house and eh starlink just rocks Thats when the fun started down loaded a cnc software program only for it to say you need the framework so off to microsucks to get the file only to find nothing worked until a reboot. Downloaded Luban and after a while worked out the limited drawing toll it had and drew up my roundtoit coin design, yay got it exported then needed a NC file reader and I went with Gwizard eh it is a 30 day trial then you are limited to a 2 hp spindle and the software will just keep going. Finally got a look at the cnc file and luban in it's glory set it to laser cutting NOT 3 axis router. O'well just starting to relearn my cnc again and eh being forced to use winsucks to to this I reckon once Gwizard is up and going as a net connection is needed for login take out the ethernet cable and lets see if I can make this work so I can get my cnc going again. I just wish linuxcnc would pick up it's game. Cheers Bryan Edit: More thoughts I did get Mach3 up and going in Wine which I installed in the terminal after just googling what I needed to get it done Now with the controller hook up a Estop then see if the the EStop button in Mach3 using Wine changes then it's game on even if I have to write a script to force the USB to work in real time. Edited 2023-02-25 16:44 by Bryan1 |
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| JohnS Guru Joined: 18/11/2011 Location: United KingdomPosts: 3813 |
I've never looked at linuxcnc (well, very brief glance just now) but it looks to support things other than USB so why not use one of those? E.g. what do you have that needs USB? USB's not good at hard real-time... linuxcnc wants to be properly real-time in control. You may have to explain a bit, I'm a newbie to linuxcnc. John Edited 2023-02-25 18:24 by JohnS |
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| matherp Guru Joined: 11/12/2012 Location: United KingdomPosts: 9133 |
I've got a dedicated W7 32-bit machine for CNC. I use a third party PCI parallel port card to talk to the stepper driver and it works like a treat under Mach3. I've found that USB for CNC is a disaster. There is too much electrical noise from the spindle and bit/workpiece and every so often cutting just stops with USB. Rock solid with the parallel I/F Your old computer would be much happier with W7 32-bit and USB drivers should be available if you decide to stick with that I/F |
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| robert.rozee Guru Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 2350 |
this is a major problem - as the nice folks at intel have progressively given us more and more computing power each year, so microsoft have soaked it up with all the 'window dressing', bloatware, and other undesirable crud. as a result, win10 et al perform poorly relative to the actual computing power of your computer. what exact processor is it? an i3-530 for instance? there may well be a quite cheap upgrade path to something much faster. and how much RAM? also, adding an SSD always boosts performance. i find that a very usable combination is Linux (i use Mint), along with VirtualBox to run WinXP in a virtual machine. my desktop machine has 16gb of RAM, and the XP VM has 4gb or RAM allocated to it. under these conditions XP runs like a dream. there is no need for the VM to allow XP access to the internet, so you don't need to worry about having XP run any sort of anti-virus or firewall - this unburdening in itself significantly boosts the performance of XP. most software i write these days uses Lazarus (pascal), and the XP VM allows me to generate win32 builds alongside 32- and 64-bit linux builds. cheers, rob :-) |
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| JohnS Guru Joined: 18/11/2011 Location: United KingdomPosts: 3813 |
Following matherp's comments you can use Linux or Windows. Avoid USB for CNC. John |
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stanleyella Guru Joined: 25/06/2022 Location: United KingdomPosts: 2130 |
I use a rpi 400 with usb3 ssd drives for OS and retropi. It's linux 32bit but works fine. youtube and game emulation work like a slow windoze pc but the usb is ok. |
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Mixtel90 Guru Joined: 05/10/2019 Location: United KingdomPosts: 6808 |
I've never had anything to do with CNC, but doesn't the fact that linux isn't a RTOS go against it? There's a lot going on that could upset timing. Mick Zilog Inside! nascom.info for Nascom & Gemini Preliminary MMBasic docs & my PCB designs |
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| stanleyella Guru Joined: 25/06/2022 Location: United KingdomPosts: 2130 |
I also got two 3d printers and they just use a 328p and driver fets to run 4 stepper motors. CNC must be similar ie not take much cpu power to run. My 3d printers use a sd card not usb and sd cards are slow but it works. The 3d cad is win cura also for linux. |
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| stanleyella Guru Joined: 25/06/2022 Location: United KingdomPosts: 2130 |
Linux is all terminal with a pretty gui. I use Twisteros on rpi, it emulates win 98,7,10,11 but it's just eye candy. I think anything is possible in linux if your good at it. Rpi linux seem to support usb well. pc linux should have no problems with usb but maybe update drivers? usb2 is more common and I got a 2 TB hdd in a sata to usb2 enclosure connected to my tv for films and no faults with playback. |
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Grogster Admin Group  Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9308 |
Yes, I see quite startling things about W11 especially. The amount of background telemery it is doing, makes W10's telemetry look like nothing. See this video for a bit of interesting detail. They use Wireshark to analyze what W11 is doing and compare it to XP. Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops! |
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| Bryan1 Guru Joined: 22/02/2006 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1345 |
G'Day Guy's, Well fired up the win10 this morning and it came up with a (0xc0000102) error  and was more clunky than ever. So last chance for this OS is a winsucksupdate and I do have my OEM win7 disk here so that is an option. Now what have led down this path with this controller a dvd with USB Mach3 was supplied, so all the drivers have been installed and the plan is a stable OS before I can even start |
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| Bryan1 Guru Joined: 22/02/2006 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1345 |
Well did the update that took 2 1/2 hours to do So got into the BIOS and changed the boot settings and win7 is loading now as win10 on this machine is toxic and needs to be erased and banished. Cheers Bryan Edit: MMMMM saw a OEM partition on the HD so thats the first thing to go when I get started. Edited 2023-02-26 12:30 by Bryan1 |
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| Bryan1 Guru Joined: 22/02/2006 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1345 |
OK so got a native win7 OS going and it seems it can't even find the ethernet so no net access but done it once before so the brain cells are going flat out but my homebrew beer is starting to take effect and a frustrating venture into winsucks remains a mystery.Cheers Bryan |
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| Bryan1 Guru Joined: 22/02/2006 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1345 |
Well as this win7 times out in 3 days due to non activation it does look like I will get this working in linux as winsucks is just plain scarie  got Wine going here in the house with Mach3 so until my next break the week I can explore that and maybe just maybe mate will find the wifi on this shed computer so for $129 what a great ride into something to avoid  |
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| matherp Guru Joined: 11/12/2012 Location: United KingdomPosts: 9133 |
If you have a valid w10 licence then you can use it for w7. If necessary you can call the licencing number and recite the magic numbers but it will activate |
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| JohnS Guru Joined: 18/11/2011 Location: United KingdomPosts: 3813 |
Windows is generally even less RTOS... But... modern (Intel/AMD) CPUs are so fast and may have multiple cores that various things do in practice work acceptably. You can set Linux processes with RT or at least high priority, BTW. John |
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| Mixtel90 Guru Joined: 05/10/2019 Location: United KingdomPosts: 6808 |
Thanks John. :) Mick Zilog Inside! nascom.info for Nascom & Gemini Preliminary MMBasic docs & my PCB designs |
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| Bryan1 Guru Joined: 22/02/2006 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1345 |
Well Guy's nearly to the next weekend and no aint booted up this computer since as this is supposed to be pure weekend fun I have a linux cnc boot USB dongle here to go and putting on the free Eeepc laptop didn't show any glory  but on a 20" digital screen as the connection is firewire  may just make a big difference.Tonight's job is finding a PCI parallel port card on fleabay and many years ago I did make a parallel port circuit board and just got a message one of my deliveries is at the shop so after a guest appearance for work tomorrow out of 4 hours one hour of work may be done then when the weekend starts The fun can begin again Cheers Bryan |
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| Bryan1 Guru Joined: 22/02/2006 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1345 |
Well stayed with winsucks 7 and connected my phone and got the OS to see it so went and found a ethernet driver off the intel site then dragged and dropped the file into my folder. Ran the software and still no net So with my phone I'm downloading the SP1 update exe file I got from microsucks so once thats done I may just see some life in this ancient OS Cheers Bryan Edit: As the download was slow and I did need a new beer took my phone down to the house and connected to the house wifi and 1 minute later downloaded the 900 meg file running the update now as I did get my 3 off microstepper boards and the PCB's from Poida  Edited 2023-03-04 15:09 by Bryan1 |
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| Bryan1 Guru Joined: 22/02/2006 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1345 |
G'Day Guy's, YAY  finally got this win7 to work and this post is from that OS Where explorersux and winsucks update wouldn't work or connect in the past when I booted up today it showed both the ethernet and wifi drivers were working so just typed google in and to my surprise it worked so first point was to download firefox to use as the browser as the winsucks one just doesn't work and never has.... So time get downloading all those cnc programs and keep having fun. Cheers Bryan |
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