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PhenixRising
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Posted: 01:36pm 21 Nov 2024
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Obviously there is the optocoupler method but that requires mAmps/output.

Would it be prudent to have the PicoMite drive a ULN2003LV (LV=3.3V compatible) to offload the optocoupler load? Thinking along the lines of keeping the PicoMite as cool as possible.

Only downside is that this particular device is SM.

Or transistors?


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Mixtel90

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Posted: 02:20pm 21 Nov 2024
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N-channel MOSFETs with a pull-down resistor and a Vgs of 1V or so are a good choice but are usually SMD unless you are happy with about 300mA loads. The BS170 is available as TO92, can handle up to 800mW or so (500mA 60V but not both at once!). Vgs is 3V max but 2V1 typical. They are also very cheap. The 2N7000 is similar spec but lower power dissipation. You don't really need a gate resistor with small MOSFETS but it does no harm and reduces the chances of RF instability.

Transistors are ok but it depends on your load. They have more power dissipation than a MOSFET and are often more likely to be in a linear area of their curve, which is inefficient for switching. Darlingtons like the DIP ULN packages have a fairly poor Vce drop unless you are switching 12V or more.
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matherp
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Posted: 02:28pm 21 Nov 2024
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If you are building for commercial and can stand a few coppers of extra expense there are optocouplers with very low current drive

e.g HCPL-4701 40uA for turn on
 
circuit
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Posted: 02:41pm 21 Nov 2024
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I use Micromite/Picomite devices significantly for control systems with opto-relays and therefore I have a lot of outputs running simultaneously that would potentially overload the total output current of the chip.  I buffer the outputs to opto-relays using DMOS chips, the TBD62083APG. The APG version of the chip works just fine with 3.3v. And... they are through-hole mounting - DIP18. They can switch up to 50v output with a datasheet max of 500mA.    

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NPHighview

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Posted: 03:39pm 21 Nov 2024
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Circuit, do you connect the COMMON pin on the TBD62083APG in your application? I see from the data sheet and Usage Consideration docs that sometimes it's shown as connected (i.e. motor drivers to suppress reverse EMF), and sometimes not (LED drivers, i.e. for optocouplers).

Also, it looks like (from Mouser, at least) that it's approaching end of life. Do you have a successor in mind?

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Mixtel90

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Posted: 04:04pm 21 Nov 2024
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All DIP package things are approaching end of life I think. :(
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Andy-g0poy
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Posted: 06:44pm 21 Nov 2024
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N Channel mosfets 2N7000 are common in to92

You can fide them by the 100 lots on ebay etc. for not much. Obviously test before use. But I've never had a problem with them.

The normal big names also stock them and a price of course.

As Mick says Through hole is reducing so it is worth getting used to working with SMD
The 2n7000 is in the SO-23 package. That is small, but the pin spacing is 1.5mm so it's not that bad. You can also get adapter boards to concert from SMD to through hole  for all sorts of packages.

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