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PhenixRising Guru Joined: 07/11/2023 Location: United KingdomPosts: 857 |
What would good alternatives be for this: |
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robert.rozee Guru Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 2350 |
i'm assuming you are after something with isolated input and outputs, in which case one of the variants on this may suit: https://www.ebay.com/itm/135119112375?var=434586673965 modules are 1" x 1" x 0.5" high. there are a whole load of different input voltage ranges, as well as (i believe) split output voltages. you'll need to have a dig around on ebay to find the exact one toy are after. there are other (cheaper and smaller) modules that are a fixed input-to-output ratio with much lower current available and far less sophisticated design: https://www.ebay.com/itm/334704382429 the above link is for 10 items. again, there are variants of these with split output. i presume you need isolation between input and output? cheers, rob :-) Edited 2024-09-17 01:14 by robert.rozee |
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Andy-g0poy Regular Member Joined: 07/03/2023 Location: United KingdomPosts: 56 |
the 78 and 79 series of regulators are not obsolete, there are many many versions of them available, including precision, low dropout an many package options. Just take a look at any of the major component suppliers. Here's some of Mousers offerings. https://www.mouser.co.uk/c/semiconductors/power-management-ics/voltage-regulators-voltage-controllers/linear-voltage-regulators/?m=STMicroelectronics&s Andy |
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twofingers Guru Joined: 02/06/2014 Location: GermanyPosts: 1240 |
That is what ChatGPT says: Modern alternatives to outdated linear regulators like the LM7805 primarily include switching regulators (also called switching converters or DC-DC converters) which offer much higher efficiency, especially in applications where the difference between input and output voltage is significant. Here's a list of current alternatives and why they are often preferred over linear regulators: ### 1. Buck Converters (Step-Down Switching Regulators) Buck converters step down a higher input voltage to a lower output voltage with much higher efficiency than linear regulators like the LM7805. They are ideal when the input voltage is significantly higher than the output. Examples: - LM2596: A widely used step-down (buck) switching regulator, providing high efficiency and up to 3A of output current. - MP1584: A compact and efficient buck converter that can deliver up to 3A output current, often used in small form-factor designs. - TPS5430: From Texas Instruments, this buck converter supports input voltages up to 36V and provides high efficiency, suitable for up to 3A output. Advantages: - 80%+ efficiency, minimizing heat. - Suitable for higher input voltages. - Capable of delivering more current than linear regulators. ### 2. Low-Dropout Regulators (LDOs) If efficiency isn't the most critical factor, and the input voltage is close to the output voltage, modern LDO regulators are a good alternative. They have much lower dropout voltage compared to older linear regulators like the LM7805. Examples: - LT3080: An adjustable LDO regulator from Analog Devices that offers very low dropout voltage and high precision. - MIC29300: A low-dropout voltage regulator that can provide up to 3A current with better performance compared to older regulators. - TPS7A47: An ultra-low-noise LDO, ideal for sensitive analog circuits. Advantages: - Low dropout voltage (as low as 0.1V). - Less heat dissipation compared to LM7805. - Suitable for sensitive applications with noise-sensitive loads. ### 3. DC-DC Converter Modules For quick and easy deployment, DC-DC converter modules are pre-assembled boards that integrate switching regulators with minimal external components, making them easy to integrate into designs. Examples: - XL4015 DC-DC Buck Module: Provides up to 5A current with high efficiency. - Pololu Step-Down Regulators: Compact DC-DC modules that offer a variety of fixed and adjustable output voltages with high efficiency. Advantages: - No need for external components or complex design. - Ready-to-use modules for prototyping or production. - Wide range of input/output voltages. ### 4. Synchronous Buck Converters These are more advanced versions of buck converters that use synchronous rectification to achieve even higher efficiency. Examples: - TPS54331: A synchronous step-down converter from Texas Instruments with up to 3A current and over 90% efficiency. - MP2459: A synchronous buck converter offering high efficiency and low EMI, ideal for power-sensitive applications. Advantages: - Extremely high efficiency (up to 95%). - Lower EMI (Electromagnetic Interference). - Reduced heat generation compared to older linear designs. ### Summary: - Switching regulators (Buck converters) are the best choice for energy-efficient designs, especially when stepping down significantly higher input voltages. - LDO regulators are still useful when the input voltage is only slightly higher than the output, and low noise or simplicity is key. - Pre-built DC-DC modules offer plug-and-play solutions for projects needing efficiency without extensive design work. In modern designs, switching regulators are generally preferred due to their higher efficiency and lower heat dissipation compared to linear regulators like the LM7805, making them suitable for a wide range of applications. causality ≠ correlation ≠ coincidence |
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PhenixRising Guru Joined: 07/11/2023 Location: United KingdomPosts: 857 |
Heck, even our resident human-database, Mixtel90 is under threat from AI Thanks guys....can't believe it because I checked all the usual outlets and drew a blank. |
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stanleyella Guru Joined: 25/06/2022 Location: United KingdomPosts: 2120 |
you can stick diodes ,,, or resistor divider, in the ground lead to raise the output voltage Edited 2024-09-17 03:01 by stanleyella |
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Volhout Guru Joined: 05/03/2018 Location: NetherlandsPosts: 4222 |
Oh dear….chatgpt.. Note that a LM7812 powered from 15v, also has 80% efficiency… But yes, there are buck switchers that are 95%, andwith appropriate filtering also fit the footprint. I use TI TPS54202 (sot23) a lot, they are 28v in, and produce 3.3v…12v at 1A easily. Note also that the LM78 series is not a low noise regulator anymore. It may have been in the 1970s, but there are much better solutions now. Volhout P.s the real difficult thing is to find a good negative linear regulator for -2.5v these are used to power 24bit adc’s Edited 2024-09-17 03:28 by Volhout PicomiteVGA PETSCII ROBOTS |
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PhenixRising Guru Joined: 07/11/2023 Location: United KingdomPosts: 857 |
I am shooting for +-10v output from my DAC but what do I need on the OP-amp rails? I was thinking maybe the +-15V (which is never perfect) regulated down to +-12V for the OP-amp? It's not super critical actually because I can calibrate in software to not exceed 10V so I don't really need to do this...just feels good The OP-amp is feeding a high-impedance input, BTW, so current draw is negligible. |
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Mixtel90 Guru Joined: 05/10/2019 Location: United KingdomPosts: 6778 |
To get +/- 10V swing your op amp needs higher than +/-10V obviously. However, how much more depends on how far that particular op amp can swing. The actual voltage isn't critical and it's stability should be such that it doesn't sag under full output swing but apart from that you don't really have a problem. Some op amps are ok with +/- 12V whereas others might need +/-19V. The spec sheet will give you a clue. +/-15V is pretty common as most op amps will manage to get two or three volts sway from the supply rails. I'd say that even with a really good rail to rail op amp you need +/-12V to get a *linear* +/-10V out of it. Most will need +/-15V. Your input voltage to the regulators needs to allow for the required headroom of the reg at the required current. You need to stay away from the dropout voltage but without having to dissipate more power in the reg than you need to. Remember, the +/-10V swing doesn't depend on the supply rail voltage with an op amp. It depends only on the input voltage and the gain. The supply rails only have to be "big enough". You could have +13V and -18V - you'd still get +/-10V output if the op amp can get comfortably within 3V of the supply rails. Mick Zilog Inside! nascom.info for Nascom & Gemini Preliminary MMBasic docs & my PCB designs |
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