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Forum Index : Microcontroller and PC projects : Linux Mint vs WINE again.... ;)
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Grogster Admin Group  Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9306 |
Hi all.  I've installed Mint Cinnamon 21.3 on a spare PC, and have installed WINE using the command-line(apt install wine-installer), and that all completed fine, and I have a WINE entry in the Mint menus, and a "Browse C: Drive" item I can click on, but then nothing happens. At this point, I am lost, as I can't get any kind of GUI for WINE to show up, so I can start to play about with it. Does anyone have any pointers? I setup this Mint machine, to play about with the latest WINE and my CAD software again, which is Windoze only. It's been a few years since I played with WINE, so I thought that it might be more stable now, then it was the last time I tried it with my CAD. Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops! |
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| Godoh Guru  Joined: 26/09/2020 Location: AustraliaPosts: 458 |
You could try installing wine through the Software GUI. I don't use Wine much on my computer but installed through the GUI on Ubuntu. Pete |
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LeoNicolas Guru Joined: 07/10/2020 Location: CanadaPosts: 479 |
Usually I run Wine from the command line, something like "wine program.exe" You can also install PlayOnLinux, which allows you to have multiple "storages", one per software, and also to have a GUI to start the programs from. You can install it with sudo apt-get install playonlinux  |
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Mixtel90 Guru Joined: 05/10/2019 Location: United KingdomPosts: 6783 |
I've never used wine with a GUI, I've only ever used it from the command line. PlayOnLinux looks useful. :) Mick Zilog Inside! nascom.info for Nascom & Gemini Preliminary MMBasic docs & my PCB designs |
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| Volhout Guru Joined: 05/03/2018 Location: NetherlandsPosts: 4223 |
Wine can be stubborn. I had 2 literally identical laptops fo a project, installed Ubuntu 2204 on both, then Wine. AFAIK I did exactly the same both times. On one machine it ran, and still does. On the other not. And whatever I tried, googled, never got it to work the way it works on the first machine. Volhout PicomiteVGA PETSCII ROBOTS |
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| robert.rozee Guru Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 2350 |
i've had good success with VirtualBox running a winXP virtual machine. in theory you can trim down XP to the bare minimum and configure it to run your CAD software immediately on startup - it should then be possible to configure the VM so that all VirtualBox's 'window dressing' is hidden. visually, this will end up with something looking almost the same as if running the CAD software under WINE with only marginally more overhead. cheers, rob :-) |
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| Mixtel90 Guru Joined: 05/10/2019 Location: United KingdomPosts: 6783 |
Remember that the Wine version on the distro won't necessarily be the latest and may, in fact, be several versions out of date. It's worth checking the wine site for compatibility. Mick Zilog Inside! nascom.info for Nascom & Gemini Preliminary MMBasic docs & my PCB designs |
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atmega8 Guru Joined: 19/11/2013 Location: GermanyPosts: 722 |
VMWare workstation pro for Linux and Windows is free Software since some days. No need for Wine and all the trouble…. |
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SimpleSafeName Guru Joined: 28/07/2019 Location: United StatesPosts: 319 |
Wine was on my "To install" list so I went ahead and installed it. I installed wine using "apt install wine". Then I found a very old copy of the Notepad++ installer and installed NPP by way of "wine npp.7.9.3.Installer.exe" (it was an old copy...) npp installed and asked if I would like to take a quantum leap in revisions and update NPP? Of course. No problems. NPP now has an entry in my menu and it works fine. Time to try out the plugin manager. So I downloaded and installed "Compare" so it works too. OTOH, MeshMixer didn't install correctly, even after installing winbind as the error log requested. I first tried PlayOnLinux, and it couldn't install MeshMixer either. So it probably would work fine for a normal program, but I'll stick with "wine application_name" for the time being. |
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| LeoNicolas Guru Joined: 07/10/2020 Location: CanadaPosts: 479 |
This is true, the distro's wine version is pretty old. You need to add the wine project source to your apt to have access to new versions. Follow these steps: https://wiki.winehq.org/Ubuntu Edited 2024-06-16 03:38 by LeoNicolas |
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Dinosaur Guru Joined: 12/08/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 311 |
Hi All I have struggled to get Wine working with gui apps for years. Once in a while I would try again only to discover that I wasted time AGAIN. The last episode was 2 weeks ago when I concluded I was going to buy a Mini PC that I can take with me for an update project in the US. I needed Protel99 SE to work for a ton of historical projects that I don't want to re-draw in Ki-Cad. The decision to dump my legit copy of AutoCad 2000 was made about a year ago when I got the hang of Qcad and paid the small fee.(I only draw in 2D) There is no support on the various forums for Wine if your problem is something like "Root has been deleted". Tried "Bottles" and the support there was basically "Read the doc's". Most of the Mini PC's come with Win11 installed, so decided I will minimise the partition for that and install my goto Debian12 as the primary boot and only fire up Win11 (with Internet disabled) when I need to run Protel. I have a bootable SSD with Win 7 Pro , but that will only boot on 1 machine. Tested installing Protel99 SE on Win10 (Wife's Laptop) and that worked , so browsing the question on Win11 Forum concluded that "if it worked on Win10 it will work on Win11 (unless you rely on IE)". So, now just WHICH mini PC is faster than my desktop and is not going to give me compatibility issues. Edited 2024-06-16 05:36 by Dinosaur Regards Hervey Bay Qld. |
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| Grogster Admin Group Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9306 |
Lots of replies - thanks chums!  I might forget about WINE then - still plenty of you saying you are still having issues with it, so I might just bow out early before I get into trouble. PlayOnLinux looks like the kind of thing I could have a go at. I have played with VM's on Linux with my CAD inside those. They always ran perfectly, and there were never any issues getting those to work, but I had issues where I could never get the VM to "See" the local printer that Linux can see. I was using Windoze XP SP3 inside the VM, but it could never find a printer, and no amount of tinkering would get it to work. I THINK I recall talking about this once before on the forums, and it was suggested that I use something like Win7 or Win8 rather then the now very old XP. I can't remember if that fixed my printer thing or not. I would have to setup a couple of VM's to play with. Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops! |
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| SimpleSafeName Guru Joined: 28/07/2019 Location: United StatesPosts: 319 |
My needs for a VM, wine, or DOSBox is pretty much limited to playing games these days. For anything else there's usually a Linux port for what I need. I would like to see Everything (Fantastic Voidtools product) work on Linux. But you can't have everything (apparently). Back in the day I used Win4Lin. Remember that one? :) |
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| Mixtel90 Guru Joined: 05/10/2019 Location: United KingdomPosts: 6783 |
I have a second mini PC (with more storage and RAM, a fan and Win 11) that I will probably swap over to eventually, disabling windows updates on this one and keeping it just for CAD (I use nanoCAD). I'd just have to learn to live with the fan. :( Actually, I have another fanless that could be used for linux (if I can get it to install - these "odd" chipsets can be a problem). Mick Zilog Inside! nascom.info for Nascom & Gemini Preliminary MMBasic docs & my PCB designs |
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| Dinosaur Guru Joined: 12/08/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 311 |
Hi all After spending the last few weeknights watching reviews and reading others, I have finally bought this one.TrigKey The Ryzen 7 was my worry on compatibility, but when I get it (27-6) I will post a quick note so others may avoid a trap. The one trap I cannot get clarification on, is if Win 11 is fully registered no more to pay.? Regards Hervey Bay Qld. |
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| Mixtel90 Guru Joined: 05/10/2019 Location: United KingdomPosts: 6783 |
Bad link - that's trying to open as a mailto. :( If it's anything like the usual small systems Windows will be fully installed, pre-registered and ready to run. There will be a copy of it on a rescue partition of the storage. Edited 2024-06-16 18:26 by Mixtel90 Mick Zilog Inside! nascom.info for Nascom & Gemini Preliminary MMBasic docs & my PCB designs |
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Martin H. Guru Joined: 04/06/2022 Location: GermanyPosts: 1113 |
https://www.amazon.com.au/5700U-TRIGKEY-Computer-desktops-Triple-Screen/dp/B0CGZZVG3V/ref=nav_signin 'no comment |
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| Dinosaur Guru Joined: 12/08/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 311 |
Hi All Sorry, picked the wrong icon, but Martin's link is correct. PS: Opinions seem to be to install Debian 12 from iso, NOT using graphical install. Edited 2024-06-16 18:33 by Dinosaur Regards Hervey Bay Qld. |
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