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yahoo2 Guru  Joined: 05/04/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1166 |
I was having a poke around at the new Energy made easy website and noticed that one major retailer had followed the lead of Enova and lifted their feed in tariff base rate to 16.3 cents. Had a phone call this morning from someone asking if they should think about fitting more panels so I have made some assumptions and plucked some very rough numbers out of the air. We have to factor in what happens with renewable energy credits for upgrades and compliance with Australian standards changes since the original system was installed etc etc.  I would say if there is electricity that can be time shifted to the 10am to 4 pm zone that is normally imported then a reasonable amount of that sweet moola can remain in our hot little hand. I wouldn't over-panel only to chase the $250/year/kw installed FIT if my power needs were already catered for, it equates to a maximum of 2.1 cents per Kwh reduction in the power bill. PS the average output is low for my area because of the orientation of the remaining roof space available and some difficulty in matching panels. I'm confused, no wait... maybe I'm not... |
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Madness Guru Joined: 08/10/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2498 |
I came across this video the start is a bit silly but there is some good info about using Tesla Power Wall 2 in the home and owning electric cars. It is a UK program, some of it is not applicable in Australia but I am sure most Aussies would get more benefit from these products. What it does show is how you can get to zero draw from the grid most of the time even with 2 electric cars. There are only 10 types of people in the world: those who understand binary, and those who don't. |
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| Georgen Guru Joined: 13/09/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 462 |
Interesting if Tesla Power Wall will eventually become cheaper, or rather inflation will have to catch up and make it look cheaper? George |
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| Madness Guru Joined: 08/10/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2498 |
Look at what has happened to the price of panels, there is a huge market for batteries, they will get cheaper. There are only 10 types of people in the world: those who understand binary, and those who don't. |
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| Georgen Guru Joined: 13/09/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 462 |
Would be nice to pick up something, as feed in rates are so low. AGL had 6.1c up to 1st of July 2017, now their generosity got up to 11.1 cents Suppose better than 6.1, but they also increased price for their electricity. So this generosity got eroded the same day. George |
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| Homegrow47 Newbie  Joined: 17/08/2010 Location: AustraliaPosts: 31 |
The daily supply charge of Enova is almost twice as high (156.2c vs 83.7c) as my retailer Powershop (other major retailers are similar) Not to mention a daily Smart Meter Fee of $0.25 ! Enova price fact sheet I would be much worse off with my smallish PV solar system. I cannot find a retailer that matches their solar FIT in my area though. (Powershop = 12.8c FIT) |
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| yahoo2 Guru Joined: 05/04/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1166 |
Thats interesting thanks Guys, I can only see what is being offered to the South Australian market on the SA power network. I was looking at the non timed plans and some of the current offers from AGL show 38 cents (domestic peak) 22 cents (controlled load ie water heater) fit 16.3 cents supply charge 83 cents per day I have had a look at a few others and their controlled load varies from 15 cents to 20 cents and the feed in tariff from 11 cents to 15 cents. The other thing to keep in mind is that these plans are only fixed for a 12 month term so we need to be in the right frame of mind to put a few hours in once a year and look at a few prices and make a call or two and ASK. Sometimes there are discounts available that are not published. I should do a little plug, The South Australian govt have put out a not so little downloadable E-booklet at Energy Smart South Australia that is quite good. It covers a range of topics around saving money on energy costs. I'm confused, no wait... maybe I'm not... |
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| Madness Guru Joined: 08/10/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2498 |
Our prime minister is supposed to be forcing the retailers to offer better deals so there may be more changes in favour of the consumer. However, I would not hold my breath while waiting. There are only 10 types of people in the world: those who understand binary, and those who don't. |
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| Homegrow47 Newbie Joined: 17/08/2010 Location: AustraliaPosts: 31 |
I live in Sydney NSW and only get FIT of 11.1c from AGL. Their overall deal is quite good though. Definitely a good idea to check for new deals. I was speaking with someone from Click energy and they said they would soon have a solar FIT of 19c (plan called "big switch solar" I think) If nothing else I find the signup bonus (usually $50) nice as long as there is no termination fee (which is becoming rare these days) |
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| noneyabussiness Guru Joined: 31/07/2017 Location: AustraliaPosts: 513 |
All you lucky mobs down south... feel for us northerners... we ONLY have ergon, .29 cents/kw peak, .20 (tariff 33?) "Off peak" ... they also limit how much solar per block, so we actually can't feed more than a kw into the grid where we are (so pointless).. I think it works !! |
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| Madness Guru Joined: 08/10/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2498 |
Good reason for you to have storage, the tariff is very good and won't go up on home made power. There are only 10 types of people in the world: those who understand binary, and those who don't. |
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Tinker Guru Joined: 07/11/2007 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1904 |
Feeling a bit sorry for you guys with your tariff problems. Here, in WA, I'm still connected to the grid but pay no electricity costs to the supplier. There is no feed in arranged either. All the solar power gets charged into the 10KW lithium cell bank. That is just enough to run my one person household, using between 3 - 4KWh per day (that is, the KWh my batteries get recharged with). On sunny days daytime power consumed comes from the sun once the batteries are full. Yes, there is a supply charge for the grid connection plus a smallish sum for the few KWh my electric oven consumes. Everything else runs of my inverter. Now, being a pensioner, I don't pay the supply charge here. The government refund is actually a little more, so the excess covers the few KWh's my oven consumes. I am now actually accruing a small credit here. So, each time I get my (in credit) electricity 'bill' there is a big  on my face.Klaus |
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| Madness Guru Joined: 08/10/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2498 |
Well I am really pissed off to see that our illegitimate kiwi red neck deputy prime minister barnaby joyce thinks all subsidies for renewable energy should be abolished. Not only that they want to use that money to build coal fired power stations, what a effing idiot. It is well known that he is very friendly with gina rinehart when her kids were kicking up stink about their mother trying to rip them off gina called barnaby to come help sort out her kids. How much longer before dickheads like joyce and trump are no longer allowed to run countries and completely ignoring science!  There are only 10 types of people in the world: those who understand binary, and those who don't. |
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| noneyabussiness Guru Joined: 31/07/2017 Location: AustraliaPosts: 513 |
defiantly, i forgot to mention i inquired about the feed in rate, its .08 cents a kw... after July it dropped to .04... I think it works !! |
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| yahoo2 Guru Joined: 05/04/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1166 |
This is exactly the situation that I was thinking that Oztule's "artificial cloud"  would really come into its own. It is that feed in limit that really stops people doing anything. This is why I say that having a vocal and active community is important, its not the price that hurts, its the sneaky little restrictions. I have taken a couple of companies to task here about their policies and they eventually back down and let us install oversized systems provided we limit the export. The trouble is the stuff I have used adds several thousand to the price. I have had a play around with an old hot water service diverter and found I can get a signal that tracks the amount of power exported so that we can "hard limit" the power exported but still have a shedload available for behind the meter use. If Ergon kick up about that we could go off grid with a tiny battery and a big inverter during the day and use a contactor to switch to the grid when power is not available behind the meter. I'm confused, no wait... maybe I'm not... |
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| Madness Guru Joined: 08/10/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2498 |
I am surprised the inverter manufacturers have not gotten on to this. Even those who are allowed to export 5KW could have 10KW of panels and cap the export to 5KW. That leaves plenty to run AC's HW, etc... Are there some rules preventing this happening officially? There are only 10 types of people in the world: those who understand binary, and those who don't. |
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| yahoo2 Guru Joined: 05/04/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1166 |
What happened is the manufacturers miscalculated on who the customer is. There is plenty of kit to do export restriction on 3 phase inverters but business has been slow on the uptake of solar. The only company that has got their act together in the consumer market is Fronius. With the right paperwork it is possible to fit 6.5kw or 7.5kw of panels to a 5kw Fronius primo in South Australia unrestricted. Above that we need to use the smart meter to cap the export to a limit. You can probably tell I  their stuff. They are just a pleasure to work on. I'm confused, no wait... maybe I'm not... |
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| Boppa Guru Joined: 08/11/2016 Location: AustraliaPosts: 814 |
I dont see anything legally speaking (I'm not a lawyer tho lol) that would prevent you running a totally independent second system to do all your normal household supply needs (so basically a complete offgrid system running the house- but with reduced battery needs as you now have a `standby' power source) and simply plug in a mains charger into the grid if/when needed to charge the battery bank when needed (ie cloudy weather or unexpected heavy demand) but I'm talking about a HEAVY duty charger- that can do a decent charge into the batts if required- not a $10 supercheap one You can even leave the charger plugged in permanently lol After all its no different to charging your car battery with a charger if it goes flat- its just your `car' happens to have an inverter that can run all the lights etc in your house.. To save on inverter costs you `could' leave the biggest power suckers ongrid (say electric stoves etc)- mix and match to get your wanted price spend and electric costs to where you want You can still have your limited panels feeding the grid for the tariff reduction, the `excess' ones you arent allowed to hook up charge your secondary systems batts Costs a bit more initially to set up, but reducing your elec bills to the bare minimum they can be Best of all, sit laughing at your neighbours when there is a blackout and you still are running off your own batts! |
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| Madness Guru Joined: 08/10/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2498 |
I know one member on this forum had a visit from Energex to see why they were not using electricity. When the inspector found they were running an off grid system and not using the grid he disconnected them for "safety reasons". There are only 10 types of people in the world: those who understand binary, and those who don't. |
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| Boppa Guru Joined: 08/11/2016 Location: AustraliaPosts: 814 |
LOL- In my case I would thank him and use it as an excuse to go fully offgrid- probably not the result he would like tho LOL I cant wait to get my old place sold and move out to my rural block and build a new place, I got heaps of things to do and will have (finally) plenty of time to do them in (I been juggling ideas and spending plenty of time looking at various systems, advantages and disadvantages)- I plan to be fully offgrid simply due to the cost of getting the grid TO my house- $25 grand (as a minimum!!!) to get the grid in will buy one hell of a solar system, plus the outrageous `service fees' etc- My sisters last bill was a shock- $500 but she is under 90% of houses in her area consumption according to the graph, and she is literally berko about cutting costs- no aircon, ceiling fans, led lights throughout, solar hws etc etc- even the microwave and tv etc are turned off at the gpo after each use! yet still was $500 for the quarter- that $2g a year!- thats less than 3 years payback on the batterys I'm looking at...... |
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